the "Grudgebook"

[wayforger]

I was also thinking of a way to make life even harder for opportunistic gankers and general assclowns. As crafters I think we are going to be powerful characters in our own right. Even more so if we keep track, amongst each other, those childish asshats that kill with annoyance and griefing tactics. If we could somehow keep a list, then we could possible cut them off from the only resource no one can do without....gear.

What do you think?

[Recneps]

For better or worse the idea is being discussed here.

www.darkfallmerchant.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=safety&action=display&thread=27&page=1

I have to admit, my mind has changed considerably on this topic since reading the opinions of members. I still think it has some valid purpose but needs to be examined a bit further.

Recneps

[Si'aan Anoura]

Agreed. While I will still personally have my own DNS and KoS lists, whether it works for a community group or not is still something we need to sort out. I think we should continue the debate on it at the link Recneps has posted above, but then after a short while longer, we should decide how we will make it work logistically; if we decide to make one at all.

However, if the general membership of the DMA decides against a DNS (or "Grudgebook" as you call it), it should be open to further discussion and consideration into the future. I think it has potential for success equal to that of failing - it will be the logistics of the thing that matters.

Lady Si'aan Anoura.

[Ashka]

To be honest, I don't see any reason why not to keep a DNS list. As long as it is well monitored and moderated, it serves as a great resource for any who would care to use it. Any who do not favor such a system need only not abide by the list.

My 2 copper~

[celestine]

My coins on the table too

I'll certainly have a personal KoS & DNS list as well (imagine many of us will)

Don't think we can have 1 formal Grudge/Don't Serve List because this would cause problems when clans impose their own restrictions on their own members etc..

As long as the List is an informal, 'warning' for our people that gives them some alert of 'heads up' on possible problems people but everyone is free to ignore the list and do their own business as they wish without repuccssions.. that seems fine.

We are not a clan or 'alliance' in any formal sense after all, simply a central hub and organisation that allows for great networking, communications and business between it's members, right?

[Si'aan Anoura]

Yeah, I think that is what makes the DNS list difficult. We want to stay above the politics - a list such as this would have to be made by members for their advice only, and not be the official stand-point of the DMA towards these specific individuals. I mean, what happens if members OF the DMA end up on the list?

[celestine]

Jan 17, 2009 14:10:30 GMT -5 Si'aan Anoura said:

Yeah, I think that is what makes the DNS list difficult. We want to stay above the politics - a list such as this would have to be made by members for their advice only, and not be the official stand-point of the DMA towards these specific individuals. I mean, what happens if members OF the DMA end up on the list?

Exactly - I could quite easily seeing it happen that DMA members end up on such a list once in a while for one reason or another.

As others have mentioned before..

Being above politics, racial prejudice and territorial issues sounds the best way for DMA to be - as some of our beloved associates like to say "Business is business", after all.

[dropbear]

yer I don't sell to ANYONE who griefs me, I don't care if I get killed that's just pvp an is a non issue, but griefers no matter who they are are cut off.

[Wolvyn]

you should follow my route far as selling to greifers/gankers..
(outside of war dec's)
Kill me once they gain -200 Bryan faction.
Kill my clan mates they gain -200 Bryan faction.
Kill my clan's officers they gain -500 Bryan faction.

Price increases by a % equal to whatever negative faction they have. and yes ive had people before pay 500% markup for bulk orders of materials.

[eljayco]

Jan 18, 2009 1:49:36 GMT -5 Wolvyn said:

you should follow my route far as selling to greifers/gankers..
(outside of war dec's)
Kill me once they gain -200 Bryan faction.
Kill my clan mates they gain -200 Bryan faction.
Kill my clan's officers they gain -500 Bryan faction.

Price increases by a % equal to whatever negative faction they have. and yes ive had people before pay 500% markup for bulk orders of materials.

I like that idea

As others have said and I've said previuosly though I will have my own list based on my own experiences. The general DNS list should only be for the absolute worst types of people, maybe even if they have been reported only by multiple DMA members.

Can this thread be incorporated into the DNS discussion one?

[Isse-Istar]

My clan will definitely have its own KoS and DNS lists, so I can provide them to DMA, since keeping them secret will make little sense anyway.

Archmage Isse-Istar.

[maz]

I personally like the DNS list but I see it being abused. There is really no way to validate the claims of a member posting someones name to the list.
I'd love to think that we are all mature and responsible adults here....but we all know there are hidden asshats everywhere. What sort of reporting guidelines would be in place to prevent our own members from griefing pk's by getting them DNS? A good portion of my business has always been with PK's and getting killed a few times is enough to piss some folks off enough to DNS em. But DNS really should be used only when a person ganks/scams/breaks-faith while trading. Just my 2 Cents.......

[Si'aan Anoura]

Perhaps the DNS list could have 'level's of DNS-worthiness? Like, there could be a recommendation by a member to the 'add someone to the list' level, then if more members come to agree, they could move to the next level until they may reach a 'really badass asshat' level. Though that may also create a goal for asshats to achieve.

- Good point about asshats being hidden everywhere though... so true....

Lady Si'aan Anoura.

[Ashka]

Or just include who the DNS suggestion was made by, along with the reasons behind their suggestion. For example:

Do not sell to MeanButt
- Request made by Ashka
- Reasons: MeanButt regularly camps the crafting tables, killing any and all artisans in sight

That way, depending on whether you trust the word of Ashka, and whether you support her reasons, you can choose to withhold your business from MeanButt.

If multiple people request the same character be added to the list, be sure to include all of their screen-names and reasons.